I would like to explain something that has always been my understanding . I have been a follower of wiccan beliefs and my mentor explained it like this to me(all be it MANY moons ago ) we do not have any pure evil or good there is the spiritual and the psychical when you are practicing spiritual the. point is skyward when you practice psychical the point is towards the earth .......hope it helps blessed be Tony
yeah but these aren't wiccan right? they are pagan, that encompasses lots of non christian and/or catholic beliefs... I, myself, don't use or believe in those symbols right there, I am a druidist and I believe a whole other kind of everything
1)Pagan is very much a religion. It is the oldest religion in the world. 2)Paganism has never been nor will it ever be a vehicle for Satan worship. 3)Inverted, or upside-down pentagrams are for satanists.
Please do your research or change the title, for it does not have much variety.
1) Incorrect. The oldest religions of the world are pagan. But the oldest religions of the world are not named Pagan. Shamanism is an ancient pagan religion. There is no such thing as Paganism, it is a mistake to use that word.
2) Paganism does not exist as a religion in itself. It is a blanket term, and since Satanism is included under that blanket term, technically you are incorrect.
3) I am not an expert on pagan symbology. I do have access to wikipedia though.
I am aware that Satanists use an "upside-down" pentagram. That's nice. That does not mean that all "upside-down" pentagrams indicate Satanism, just as all "right-side up" pentagrams don't indicate Christianity. That's right, Christians use a "right-side up" pentagram - by your logic that means all "right-side up" pentagrams indicate Christianity. [link] I'm sure we all agree that Christians are not the only people who use "right-side up" pentagrams.
Does anyone else (non-Satanists) use "upside-down" pentagrams? Hey, look at that. I spent a minute doing research and found two groups which are not satanists who do. The Wiccans and the Order of the Eastern Star. [link] [link]
So you are incorrect again.
I am not trying to make anyone feel bad, but pointing out these flaws in logic and knowledge is what I do, especially when you tell someone to do research and you obviously haven't done any yourself. You need to be educated. Everyone, including myself, learned something today about pagan religions, satanism, and symbology. Yay for knowledge.
Instead of explaining it myself, I will paste below... You are the one who should do your research and find out that Pagan is not a religion, but a term that has an etymology and a history... also, the upside down pentagram, is not only used my Satanists... more research...
Paganism (from Latin paganus, meaning "country dweller", "rustic") is a blanket term used to refer to various polytheistic, non-Abrahamic religious traditions. Its exact definition may vary. It is primarily used in a historical context, referring to Greco-Roman polytheism as well as the polytheistic traditions of Europe before Christianization. In a wider sense, extended to contemporary religions, it includes most of the Eastern religions, and the indigenous traditions of the Americas, Central Asia and Africa, as well as non-Abrahamic folk religion in general. More narrow definitions will not include any of the world religions and restrict the term to local or rural currents not organized as civil religions. Characteristic of pagan traditions is the absence of proselytism and the presence of a living mythology, which explains religious practice.
The term pagan is a Christian adaptation of the "gentile" of Judaism, and as such has an inherent Abrahamic bias, and pejorative connotations among Western monotheists, comparable to heathen and infidel also known as kafir (كافر) and mushrik in Islam. For this reason, ethnologists avoid the term "paganism," with its uncertain and varied meanings, in referring to traditional or historic faiths, preferring more precise categories such as polytheism, shamanism, pantheism, or animism.
Since the later 20th century, Pagan or Paganism has become widely used as a self-designation by adherents of Neopaganism. As such, various modern scholars have begun to apply the term to three groups of separate faiths: Historical Polytheism (such as Celtic polytheism, Norse paganism, and Hellenic Polytheistic Reconstructionism also called Hellenismos), Folk/ethnic/Indigenous religions (such as Chinese folk religion and African traditional religion), and Neopaganism (such as Wicca and Germanic Neopaganism).
I know... but pagan is not a religion..pagan is everything outside religions that are based in the Bible... and I have never said that it was either...but since it is all pagan... it is the brush set there are many pagan religions... that set isn't about just one.
this is rather old..but it kind of irked me. >.> <.< being Pagan is -not- the same as being Satanic. And they are the wrong way-Pagans use the Pentacle to symbolize the five elements, Satanists use the Pentagram, which represents Satan and the "upside-down body" or the such. They're very different.. Sorry for the slight..attack, if you can call it that..I'm Pagan, and I am far from being Satanic. >.o
You misunderstood what Nep was saying. As the link she pasted below shows, anyone who is not jewish, christian, or muslim is pagan. So yes, by definition ALL satanists are pagan, since they are not jewish, christian, or muslim.
The misunderstanding comes from you thinking that since all satanists are pagan, then all pagans are satanists. This is NOT what Nep said, and is, as we all agree, completely incorrect.
In fact, almost all pagans are not satanists, since pagan is such a huge blanket term for religions.